[Resolved] New Many To Many Features in Toolset

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[GTD9219]

Yall were pretty regularly updating the blog with information about the new release that has been in development for a while. If I recall correctly, the plan was for an end-of-January release.

When are you going to post an update?

[Beda]

We cannot state when we release an update exactly.

It is due soon, but we need to ensure that everything is working as we want it to.

The next release will be a Beta update as well, not yet a stable release of the new Many to Many features.

[GTD9219]

I've basically been holding off a project awaiting this new release. I saw the recent blog update... what was going to be end of January is now "hopefully" end of March, April. That is disappointing.

I also remember seeing an update that said the beta would not LOSE any functionality from the current stable one... but then found out when I submitted a ticket, after growing quite frustrated I couldn't do something in the beta that worked in stable,... that wasn't true either.

How do I correctly downgrade from beta to current stable? Are there any known issues?

[Beda]

1. I apologise that it takes longer as initially thought

This is because we put quality somehow over quantity, it's straightforward.
We could release this as is, or, we can issue a few Beta's and learn from them, fix the mistakes, and add features that users as well suggest during this process.

This is the big difference from an open source or planned releases such as WordPress itself, to a proprietary, dedicated development schedule like Toolsets.

We do not announce ETAs precisely because we want not to break promises, and provide the best possible product.

2. I do not know of any feature that is lost in the new versions.

Please let me know what feature is lost or broken, and I will answer to it.
There are some things they do not yet work in the betas as they do in the stable versions, of course, since these are beta versions.

3. For information and concerns related to our release schedules, blog announcements and similar, I suggest you use this form here.
https://toolset.com/?page_id=421149

The people answering there have a much better overview and can give better insight into how our releases are planned for you.

Related to downgrading, since Beta Plugins should be installed on test sites, there is rarely a reason to downgrade, and I assume it not possible, if you created new relationships with the new betas, or migrated old relations to new ones using the beta.

If you did not migrate anything old and created only new stuff, I think you can downgrade by merely replacing the current beta with the stable versions, but the new content will of course not work as setup in the beta (relationships for example) since those features just do not exist in the stable Toolset.

An option would be to restore a backup, as well.

Btu since this beta plugins are made for testing, there is rarely a downgrade option, similarly as you cannot downgrade from WordPress quickly if there are massive changes like in the new beta of Toolset.

If you can, I would restore from a backup, if you need the site running online and live with the stable versions, and did already work on it with the beta versions.

This ticket is the wrong place to receive updates on when we release certain versions.

I cannot tell this precisely.

[GTD9219]

I understand all of the about quality... I can still be a little disappointed though 😉

The thing [it turns out] that doesn't work in the beta was detailed in this ticket:
https://toolset.com/forums/topic/many-to-many-relationships-display-view-based-on-relationship-custom-fields/

[Beda]

Sure 😛

We all are, honestly... waiting eagerly to see it done and working in a stable version.

Anyway, the thread you link to does not describe something that will not be possible anymore.

It describes something that is possible in the stable versions, and incoming beta versions and as well in the future stable version.

Nothing will get lost.

The future stable version will be just Types, with more functionality.
Some changes to the API might come, but what you describe in that ticket, will not be removed.

It's just not yet fully possible in the Beta, although being that post from January, I would not be too sure about that, since we just had a massive beta Update 2 days ago, where now Types, Views and CRED with WPML interoperability are implemented, and also Views has received updates.

It is still a beta, and should not be used on any live site or live project.

We are working fast on these projects and often one feature chases the next.